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#1 2017-08-05 00:33:35
- zSec
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Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
Dear Proxmark Community,
I'm having some issues with the Proxmark3 and hopefully one of you can give me some hints what might be the reason for it.
Since I'm new to the world of Proxmark3 it might be possible I just overlooked something which causes my problem.
So let's get started.
My current aim is to read and emulate a EM410x LF card, in standalone mode.
Since the stock firmware only allows HF cards to be emulated (at least from what I read), I flashed my Proxmark3 RDV2 with the LF Standalone mode from Exploit Agency (https://github.com/exploitagency/github-proxmark3-standalone-lf-emulator).
So now if I go into standalone mode and the Proxmark is ready to read a tag, it simply won't read the EM410x. If I use another tag like the T5577 the Proxmark will read it without any issues. Only the EM410x tags can't be read and thus not emulated.
Example:
(Entering Standalone Mode with the LF Standalone Firmware:)
#db# Stand-alone mode! No PC necessary.
(Choosing the Recording mode:)
#db# Starting recording
(Placing the EM410x tag at the LF antenna, nothing happens)
(Placing the T5577 tag at the LF antenna, recording was successfull:)
#db# TAG ID: 10000111081 (34880) - Format Len: 37bit - FC: 1 - Card: 34880
#db# Recorded 0 10000111081
(Playing the T5577 tag afterwards works as well:)
#db# Playing
#db# 0 10000111081
Also I tried recording the tag to the second bank and I tried using a different EM410x tag, but I'm getting the same issue there as well.
When I do an "lf search" with the EM410x in place, it will get recognised without any problems. That's why I don't really understand it won't get recognised in the standalone mode.
Furthermore I already flashed the stock firmware again to try the HF standalone mode. That worked. I was able to read and emulate the HF tag.
Afterwards I flashed again the LF standalone mode, but again, same issue as before.
I'm using the Proxmark3 RDV2 from Elechouse.
What am I doing wrong?
Hopefully someone can help me with my issue.
Thanks in advance!
zSec
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#2 2017-08-05 03:42:02
- marshmellow
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
Afaik, LF Standalone mode is only designed for hid tags. lf search is client only code (not standalone as it is on the computer)
You could expand the standalone code to include em410x tags fairly easily though.
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#3 2017-08-05 08:55:48
- zSec
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
Thanks for the reply.
Would you be so kind and explain me how to exactly expand the standalone mode?
Sadly I wasn't able to find any documentation on how to do this. Or I'm just too stupid to find it.
I'd appreciate your help.
zSec
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#4 2017-08-05 09:30:09
- zSec
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
I suppose I have to compile the firmware myself and edit the Makefile, is that correct?
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#5 2017-08-05 12:25:38
- marshmellow
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
I suppose I have to compile the firmware myself and edit the Makefile, is that correct?
Those items would be needed yes. You would also have to edit some of the c code.
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#6 2017-08-05 15:05:36
- zSec
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
zSec wrote:I suppose I have to compile the firmware myself and edit the Makefile, is that correct?
Those items would be needed yes. You would also have to edit some of the c code.
Is there a documentation what one has to edit to achieve this?
Otherwise, could you explain me what exactly has to be edited?
Sadly I'm not a programmer and only know a few basics in C.
zSec
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#7 2017-08-05 17:38:16
- zSec
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
Just a quick update, I could manage to read the EM410x now in standalone mode.
For now, no further help needed.
Thanks for you help.
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#8 2017-08-06 09:38:36
- iceman
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
If your question is solved, I suggest you edit your first post and add the prefix [solved] to your title.
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#9 2017-11-26 23:35:36
- Sputnik
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
How did you manage to read the EM410x in standalone mode?
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#10 2018-05-18 14:15:22
- tramway
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
Hi, any news regarding that topic ?
@Sputnik, if you were trying to achieve the same feat, did you manage to ?
I know it should be doable by activating the LF standalone mode changing the Makefile first and then providing C code that would be linked to that Makefile. My only problem is, I can't code in C, so if someone knows where to find this code / has it and would be nice enough to send it to me that'd be really helpful.
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#11 2018-06-29 16:20:47
- natezoom
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
@zSec please post how you did this. please.
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#12 2018-10-11 21:34:18
- blkonblk17
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
I'm also interested in this. Has anyone found out the solution to this? I noticed @zSec never updated this thread to [SOLVED]. I'm interested in finding a solution. If anyone could help I would appreciate it.
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#13 2019-10-19 22:41:13
- Sputnik
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
No i did not manage to fix this...
Guess that for someone who knows how to do it will surely take 5 minutes .
But no one is willing to help
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#14 2019-10-28 08:45:07
- iceman
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
reading the description for the standalone mode helps tremendously...
Like using a EM410x card with lf_samyrun will not work.
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#15 2019-10-28 23:07:43
- Sputnik
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
edit the Makefile no problem... line 13..
"You would also have to edit some of the c code."?!
What have I missed reading?
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#16 2019-10-28 23:20:13
- Sputnik
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
I see that you have done some changes since I copied the proxmark3 master...
The Standalone was not there before...there is a lot of new things.
Happened a bit since 2017 2018 when i last tried
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#17 2019-10-29 00:08:29
- Sputnik
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
I'm no programmer all new things don't help at all..
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#18 2019-10-29 15:56:25
- iceman
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Re: Emulating LF tags in standalone mode - issues with EM410x tags
A lot of things since 2017... to the better.
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