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#1 2018-03-15 10:41:20

BladeRF
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don`t find the Card

Hallo Have anyone an idea, how I found out witch card is it?

C:\Users\Joerg\Desktop\Proxmark\pm3-bin-2.5.0\win32 (client+GUI)>proxmark3 COM6
Prox/RFID mark3 RFID instrument
bootrom: master/v3.0.1-294-g380e0d0-suspect 2018-01-25 15:40:39
os: master/v3.0.1-294-g380e0d0-suspect 2018-01-25 15:40:40
LF FPGA image built for 2s30vq100 on 2015/03/06 at 07:38:04
HF FPGA image built for 2s30vq100 on 2017/10/27 at 08:30:59

uC: AT91SAM7S512 Rev B
Embedded Processor: ARM7TDMI
Nonvolatile Program Memory Size: 512K bytes. Used: 197743 bytes (38%). Free: 326545 bytes (62%).
Second Nonvolatile Program Memory Size: None
Internal SRAM Size: 64K bytes
Architecture Identifier: AT91SAM7Sxx Series
Nonvolatile Program Memory Type: Embedded Flash Memory
proxmark3>.
proxmark3> hf search


no known/supported 13.56 MHz tags found.



proxmark3> lf search
Reading 30000 bytes from device memory

Data fetched
Samples @ 8 bits/smpl, decimation 1:1
NOTE: some demods output possible binary
  if it finds something that looks like a tag
False Positives ARE possible


Checking for known tags:


No Known Tags Found!

proxmark3>.

but I think it is an HF Card for DoorAcces.

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#2 2018-03-15 11:56:30

BladeRF
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Re: don`t find the Card

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Last edited by BladeRF (2018-03-15 12:35:24)

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#3 2018-03-15 13:08:45

iceman
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Re: don`t find the Card

I get the sneaky feeling you use a older client but maybe you pulled latest source from Github and compiled.

C:\Users\Joerg\Desktop\Proxmark\pm3-bin-2.5.0\win32 (client+GUI)>proxmark3 COM6

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#4 2018-03-15 14:29:59

BladeRF
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Re: don`t find the Card

Yes Iceman, you are right, but I have the same output from this source 20180206

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#5 2018-03-15 14:46:37

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Re: don`t find the Card

European,  it could be a Legic tag,  that identification isn't very good in offical (nor iceman)  but  you rather need to use the legic commands with the card smack on the antenna.

What are your antenna voltages?

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#6 2018-03-15 17:10:01

BladeRF
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Re: don`t find the Card

The output from hw tune is

proxmark3> hw tune

Measuring antenna characteristics, please wait.........
# LF antenna: 33.69 V @   125.00 kHz
# LF antenna: 30.39 V @   134.00 kHz
# LF optimal: 39.46 V @   129.03 kHz
# HF antenna: 11.10 V @    13.56 MHz
Displaying LF tuning graph. Divisor 89 is 134khz, 95 is 125khz.



proxmark3>.

And the Graph open and the Overlays Too.
ASKedge
Edge Jump Threshold 25------I have to choose apply or Restore

in moment I choose nothing.
Have I choose it???

Card are from Italy

wich command`s need the Card, what is smack?

Last edited by BladeRF (2018-03-15 17:29:38)

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#7 2018-03-15 17:58:37

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Re: don`t find the Card

HF  11v   , thats low.   is it without any card over antenna?


"Smack on" mean direct on antenna without any distance between antenna and card.

Measure voltage without card,   and with card on antenna.

Also,  try 1cm distance between antenna and card and try the hf search.


Which model of Proxmark3 do you have?

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#8 2018-03-16 08:34:30

BladeRF
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Re: don`t find the Card

C:\Users\Joerg\Desktop\Proxmark\20180206--gut\win32>proxmark3 COM6
Prox/RFID mark3 RFID instrument
bootrom: master/v3.0.1-294-g380e0d0-suspect 2018-01-25 15:40:39
os: master/v3.0.1-294-g380e0d0-suspect 2018-01-25 15:40:40
LF FPGA image built for 2s30vq100 on 2015/03/06 at 07:38:04
HF FPGA image built for 2s30vq100 on 2017/10/27 at 08:30:59

uC: AT91SAM7S512 Rev B
Embedded Processor: ARM7TDMI
Nonvolatile Program Memory Size: 512K bytes. Used: 197743 bytes (38%). Free: 326545 bytes (62%).
Second Nonvolatile Program Memory Size: None
Internal SRAM Size: 64K bytes
Architecture Identifier: AT91SAM7Sxx Series
Nonvolatile Program Memory Type: Embedded Flash Memory
proxmark3>.

Without Card

proxmark3> hw tune

Measuring antenna characteristics, please wait.........
# LF antenna: 33.69 V @   125.00 kHz
# LF antenna: 30.39 V @   134.00 kHz
# LF optimal: 39.46 V @   129.03 kHz
# HF antenna: 24.67 V @    13.56 MHz
Displaying LF tuning graph. Divisor 89 is 134khz, 95 is 125khz..

With the Card 1cm above

proxmark3> hw tune

Measuring antenna characteristics, please wait.........
# LF antenna: 33.69 V @   125.00 kHz
# LF antenna: 30.39 V @   134.00 kHz
# LF optimal: 39.46 V @   129.03 kHz
# HF antenna: 19.18 V @    13.56 MHz
Displaying LF tuning graph. Divisor 89 is 134khz, 95 is 125khz..

I have the Proxmark3 V2 RDV from Elchouse.

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#9 2018-03-16 10:05:05

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Re: don`t find the Card

if it is not one of the bad clones showing up a few months ago, you should be fine.

Your voltages looks as expected,  definitly a HF tag with that drop of voltage.

with tag direct on antenna,  try the legic, 14b, 15  commands direct several times and see if you get lucky.

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#10 2018-03-16 10:14:59

BladeRF
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Re: don`t find the Card

Ok thank you Iceman,
I want to try it.

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#11 2018-03-17 17:28:49

BladeRF
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Re: don`t find the Card

proxmark3> hf list 14b
Recorded Activity (TraceLen = 0 bytes)

Start = Start of Start Bit, End = End of last modulation. Src = Source of Transfer
iso14443a - All times are in carrier periods (1/13.56Mhz)
iClass    - Timings are not as accurate

      Start |        End | Src | Data (! denotes parity error)                                   | CRC | Annotation         |
------------|------------|-----|-----------------------------------------------------------------|-----|--------------------|
proxmark3>.
proxmark3> hf 14b reader
no 14443B tag found
proxmark3>.
proxmark3> hf 15 reader
#db# 0 octets read from IDENTIFY request:
#db# 0 octets read from SELECT request:
#db# 0 octets read from XXX request:
proxmark3>.
proxmark3> hf legic reader
#db# setting up legic card
#db# Unknown card format: 26
proxmark3>.

I have nothing found for this Card.
In the throught light you can see Partitalia 16...3,33

Last edited by BladeRF (2018-03-17 17:33:17)

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#12 2018-03-17 18:00:14

BladeRF
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Re: don`t find the Card

I have the Card only this evening. hmm

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#13 2018-03-17 21:06:33

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Re: don`t find the Card

yes, did you try all of this with different distances?

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